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„Our forebears put their skin on the line to uncover unknown corners of the world.” Interview with New Zealand nationalists from Action Zealand

Who are you and where did the idea to set up your organisation come from? What were your beginnings on New Zealand’s nationalist scene and what have you achieved?

We are, for all intents and purposes, New Zealand’s only nationalistic organisation. Despite having similarities to Australia and other countries in the Anglosphere, New Zealanders, generally speaking, are quite passive and detached from their history. Positive attitudes towards one’s race and culture have been all but forgotten here. The Americanisation of the people, you could say, has been their downfall. I suppose what this means is that through their consumption of degenerative media and the attitude toward existance that this shallow (lack of) culture fosters, we see overwhelming decadance and the normalisation of comfort and abundance. This has created a people who view hedonism as an individual right – as if they were born to exist never wanting for anything beyond the next new product to come out, or TV series to be released, or the next social movement bandwagon to superficially support. This may be moving beyond the realm of the question, however, it is, in my estimation, relevant to any answer worth a damn. A short answer is that most people in New Zealand have been removed from their history, ancestry, culture and people; as if they were placed here by God’s whim to live to consume. There is no real sense of national identity beyond superficial and trivial popculture references such as what is found in the music and sport industry. New Zealand is, essentially, a GDP zone; it’s somewhere to go shopping, and the people that reside here reflect that sad reality. That is, in part, why this organisation exists. Action Zealandia was formed by some people who had been involved in groups prior to Our creation, such as Doinion Movement, and others who weren’t. As our website suggests, our goal is to build a community for European New Zealanders. What we’ve been doing since 2019 is continue to build that community. We have members and supporters in the majority of the country’s regions. More than anything our role has been educative as well as a means of networking with fellow travellers. There’s no doubt that we have had success in bringing awareness to particular issues as well as helped to bring lots of different people together. Although we have a website and share content on platforms like Telegram Odysee, Spreaker, most of our work is done behind the scenes.

What is your vision of Great New Zeland? What are you fighting for and what do you want for your nation?

I think, like most nationalistic organisations in their respective situations, we want to see New Zealand run in the interests of the people who not only founded it, but fought, sweated, struggled and died for it. New Zealand, Zealandia, is the daughter of Brittania, Britain. The country was pioneered, settled and colonised by the people of Britain. We are doing what we can to help our kinfolk in realising the importance of their people and their history and pushing back against the modern culture of decline. We want to see Our people continue to exist in good health in this great country for as long as God wills it.

In your logo you have The Southern Cross constellation, one of the symbol of New Zeala nd. What is the New Zealand identity? Which factors, symbols and history consist of it?

Yes, the Southern Cross represents the exstence of Our people in the South Pacific. The Symbol, like the people, represent the spirit that was imbibed by Our forebears. The unique spirit, or culture-soul, of the European and particularly Northwestern European people sees their strength, passion, tenacity and courage, to take a few examples, shine through in places like New Zealand. Our forebears put their skin (literally, as the various pre-modern tribes and peoples of the South Pacific were cannibalistic until a society with English common law was established) on the line to uncover unknown corners of the world. The transcendental element of their spirit, seen in men like Captain Robert Scott, who pushed the limits of the human experience and overcame, vitally, the material realm so to speak. There’s something about this spirit that sets the European apart from other groups. There are many examples of extraordinary men, like Scott, or Heaphy, Hamilton, Hillary, Hardham or Bassett, who maintained the spirit of what it means to be traditionally European here in New Zealand. They were pioneering, courageous, honourable and vital people that were a part of something bigger than themselves. And they all died for that thing. Certainly, there are elements of architecture, literature, theatre and thought that have had enormous impacts on us as New Zealanders and Europeans more broadly. However, there is a forbearing spirit within the people that underpins these achievements. It’s the spirit and the culture that exists within that is most relevant to these lands and by whom they were established.

What can you say about your activity? Which methods are you using for nationalist propaganda in your country? What are the main identity events in New Zealand in which you are involved?

Our primary focus, as I mentioned previously, is on community building and education, which means that activities are conducted locally and regionally and are often not shared on our public platforms. With that said, we often place promotional materials under our name. Specific postering and banner campaigns have been run in order to propagate specific messages such as anti-globalist sentiment, anti-consumerism, pro-nationalism, White Lives Matter, topical subjects surrounding foreign countries impinging on New Zealand and so on. We will often have events on days of remembrance such as ANZAC Day, commemorating those men who have died for New Zealand. One of our biggest methods of outreach is through our podcast, Voice of Zealandia. We host a range of guests, including people like Mark Collett, Rob Rundo and Dr Kerry Bolton. As most nationalistic organisations will find, the majority of interaction from the public comes from those who are already interested, at least in part, by material related to our own. So it is often the case that sharing specific content with friends, family and on media platforms is the best way to achieve the spread of information.

How the New Zeland identity and nationalist movement looks like? What are the other nationalist organisations in your country? What is the story of New Zealand nationalist movement and with whom you cooporate?

Action Zealandia is, eseentially, the only nationalic movement in New Zealand. There have been others that no longer exist as publicly facing organisations in the same sense that we do. New Zealand’s National Front, I have heard, recently started up again after a hiatus. However, we are not involved with their organisation. And we are quite different conceptually and organisationally. The National Front, for example, focused greatly on street protests historically. We remain in contact with Dr Kerry Bolton, who has been involved in New Zealand’s nationalist scene for most of his life. Although Kerry is not and has not been a member of any group or organisation for a number of years, he contributes to causes, like ours, in order to help share a knowledgable and honest message.

In Polish media we can rarely hear about New Zealand and problems in your country. Could you please tell our readers something about current political situation in New Zealand? What is the place of New Zeland nationalists in politics?

You can consider yourself lucky that you don’t hear about what happens here! It’s a rather dismal affair. New Zealand is a Constitutional Monarchy with no constitution. Our “constitution” is uncodified, meaning it can’t be found in one place and it is not enshrined in anything like what the United States’ is. It exists in a variety of documents that, in recently months and years, have lost more and more value. Our Bill of Rights, for example, is allegedly one of the elements of New Zealand’s uncodified constitution, yet at present the current government is undermining its relevance and proving its worthlessness as a document as they flaunt their power over us. New Zealand, like Germany, has an MMP voting system. However, the threshold for minor parties to attain seats in Parliament is too high for specifically nationalistic parties to achieve parliamentary influence, so instead we see a plethora of centre-left and centre-right parties as well as minority interest parties (such as the racially motivated Maori party), but no European New Zealand nationalists. The powergab that has been continuing at an increased rate since early 2020 has seen the current government change laws when their actions have been proven to be unlawful, sidestep current legislation by creating new legislation that undermines the previous, and rushing through new legislation without due process. Skipping, for example, vital steps of the parliamentary process, such as House Readings, Select Committees, and so on. The Monarchicial element of our system, like the Constitutional part, is also farcical. The position of the Queen is replaced by a Governor General, whose job it is to give royal assent to legislation that is pushed through by parliament. However, the Governor General is chosen by the Prime Minister. The same Prime Minister who is currently bankrolling New Zealand’s media outlets, public and private, with Our tax dollars to keep them afloat. This, as one might imagine, has seen particularly significant media bias in favour of the current government and its Glorious Leader, Jacinda Ardern. The Opposition parties are no better than current, as they would all sell New Zealand to the highest bidder. This attitude that has been held by governments for decades now has seen drastic chnages in the countries demographic situation along with a host of other problems. New Zealand is in a dire situation.

What are the biggest threats for New Zealand? Do New Zealanders, like Europeans, have to face mass imigration, ageing population and the disintegration of family and social ties?

That’s right. New Zealand, like Continental Europe and Britain, face similar issues to each other. Our birthrates are down, marriage is less and less common, abortion is at record highs after the the current government secretly pushed through unfounded legislation, secularism and scientism reign, inflation continues in all sectors, housing is of course unaffordable, crime is up, demographic trends are dismal and the economy relies on foreign markets to survive. As I was getting at in my response to the first question, what once was no longer is. Hypernormalisation is a reality and it isn’t promising by any stretch of the imagination. I suppose one of the biggest issues we are currently facing is, like the rest of the world, increasing levels of censorship and technocratic control in an intermingling of private and governmental interests. Our current government is in lockstep with foreign financial interests that are antithetical to our own. The Covid pandemic and media frenzy – the two of which of course go hand in hand – has helped to usher in some of the more draconian measures, but our government has, as have many others, been working outside the realm of the Nation’s interests religiously for years. Of course, this is entirely unsurprising given that it is made up of globalisats who draw no connection between New Zealand and the people who created the country.

There are about 775 thousand (16,5% of population) Maori people living in New Zealand. What is your attitude towards them and their problems?

There’s an innate problem, however, the waters are rather muddied. The obvious problem is that Maori were and are a premodern people. They are, generally speaking, illsuited to living in modern, Western societies. This is one reason why they are hugely overrepresented in crime statistics and incarceration rates, for example. This overarching problem is complicated by their interbreeding with non-maoris. There are no full-blooded Maori in the world. They have mixed with European, Asian and other Pacific Island groups. This miscegenation has, in some cases, afforded them upward movement on the intelligence scale that gives them the ability to function somewhat capably in New Zealand. However, many are still largely incapable; hence the reason why they exist as a constant problem for the government and society broadly speaking. A half breed Maori, whom I know personally, who is half British, believes some form of segregation is appropriate. Despite being half British, this man identifies as Maori and lives his life embodying elements of traditional Maori culture and ideals. What he does is for the Maori community. And that is often the case with these mixed breed people. They have identity issues that they actualise by dismissing or even repressing parts of it. I tend to agree with his sentiment. Maori, however miscegenated, are better off with in their own communities doing what best suits them – and we support that. Just as we neo-European New Zealanders are better off in our own communities. The dismal effects of multiculturalism are very clear at this point in time; it is untenable to expect groups with competing cultural interests to live together happily and in good health. Despite the utopias offered in the lecture halls and in webs spun by political actors, nationalistic values are what is best for groups of people.

How do you see Chinese economic and political expansion towards the South Pacific (which is also touching your country)? Is this rather an opportunity or threat?

As Khruschev said of America in the middle of last century, 'We will take your country without firing a bullet.’ I think this is particularly relevant to New Zealand in the context of China, of which large parts are owned and heavily influenced by China and Chinese trade. New Zealand was, afer all, the first country to sign a free trade agreement with China coming up two decades ago now. China is undoubtedly a threat. New Zealand has for years acted almost solely out of economic interest and without an ounce of realpolitik. Conversely, everything China does is political. Everything is strategic and considers their future. For decades it has been working to control water resources in Asia and the Pacific in order to ensure their power over the region. At the same time, they buy up the resources of our countries and the entirety of impoverished nations throughout the pacific and Africa through modern, economic imperialism. All the while, our privately motivated politicians act disingenuously and in self-interest during their 3-year terms before changing their tune to fit whatever mould is required of them for the next election. I think whether or not China makes a move on Taiwan in the next year is somewhat irrelevant in the big scheme of things; after all, when rubbing shoulders with an opponent who considers his options decades and centuries ahead of time, what is a goldfish to do?

I don’t mean to be too glib, but New Zealand’s situation is rather dire on many fronts. I would like to say that nothing is set in stone, but the writing is in the very least scribbled on the wall. I think, as is often said of markets and economies, you can’t – necessarily – see a bubble until the pops, but you can observe trends and review similar historical events – although you can’t know for certin what will occur. There are a tremendous number of variables after all.

The tradition of our portal is that the last words are for our interviewee. What is your message to Polish nationalists?

I think any answer will be one you have already considered yourselves. I cannot speak for you or your specific situation, but I can reflect on my personal thoughts. What I will say is that we do what we do not out of individual interest, but out of necessity; a requirement of birth. Regardless of what may face us here in New Zealand, or what faces you in Poland, this is our purpose. This is our country, as Poland is yours, and these are our people. We would not exist without our people and it is for them and their memory that our lives are worth dedicating. We wish you all the best.

Thank you for the interwiev

The interview was conducted by Krzysztof Kwaśny

Graphic design: Resistance Arts

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