„Nationalists are the true rebels, the true revolutionaries, the ones who work for the sake of mankind, the defenders of true plurality.” – interview with Juan C. Lopez Lee of Frente Nacionalista de México

Thank you for giving us an interview. Please introduce yourself to our compatriots. What made you join Mexican nationalism and be part of Frente Nacionalista de México (Nationalist Front of Mexico)?

In Mexico, intellectuals and governments teach us from the beginning that Mexicans are poor, lazy and ignorant by nature, that we were born to be defeated. We reacted against such things and realized we have all what is needed to develop and prosper. We discovered that defeat is a state of the mind and that history has been manipulated.

What type of nationalism does Frente Nacionalista de México represent? 

Mexico was on its way to become a world power. Unfortunately, this process was interrupted when the masonic rulers attacked the traditional indigenous institutions that made our country prosperous until the Bourbon dynasty took power in Spain. By adopting French positivistic and American materialistic institutionalism, our country lost itself and became an easy prey. Both Indigenous nativistic philosophy and Hispanic identitarianism must serve to unite. We want to unite all radicals who react against the liberal-centrist-modern political system. 

What place does religion have in Mexican nationalism? 

While we do not embrace any form of clericalism we defend the Traditional values. By this I mean that even if there is a sizeable minority of our people embracing new faiths (Evangelicalism in particular), the overwhelming majority rejects the current feministic and sexual trends aimed at destroying the family institution. We reject atheism and recommend our members to believe and practice a faith. 

What do you have in common with the Mexican Synarchists and what are the differences between you and them? 

Synarchists are diverse. While some of them advocated a clericalist government similar to that of Francoist Spain, others were revolutionary nationalists. They’re coming back to life and they’ve built impressive structures. However, they’re more interested in social work and productive projects. On the other side, we’re more doctrine-oriented. Another difference is that they come from the West of the country. The Nationalist Front’s founders are mainly southerners. We’re smaller than the synarchists in membership but we have a broader membership throughout the country. 

What differs you from the Zapatistas in Southern Mexico? 

The Zapatista guerrilla is a libertarian-leftist movement. They’re currently discredited in Mexico as they’re now seen as a tool of the system. However, I must acknowledge that they were among the first to challenge the very notion of modernity at a time when most people were talking about the “end of history” and hailing the Western world as the only valid civilization. They brought the deep, indigenous Mexico to the surface. However, we want all people to learn the native language of their region and to fully adopt that identity. We see indigenousness as a way to bring people together, they support segregation. We disagree with them. 

What does nationalist activity look like in Mexico, do you face difficulties with the authorities or gangs? 

In Mexico, laws and institutions exist only on paper. A semblance of order is kept due to the strong values and conscience of the common people. However, both leftist and rightist politicians often recruit mercenaries to serve their interests. Anarchists and feminists are their new recruits. They’re the fruit of liberal individualism and capitalist selfishness. Nationalists defend all that is collective. Therefore, they’ve vowed to destroy us. 

Leon Degrelle, after meeting the Cristeros in Mexico, was inspired by them and created his Movement „Christus Rex”. Do you also get inspiration and ideas from across the ocean? 

Many of our members read Julius Evola, Alain De Benoist, Edouard Alcantara, Alexander Dugin and authors of the past like those of the Konservative Revolution. Third Position leaders from Europe are also held in high esteem. However, we’re critical of liberal-patriot parties like VOX due to their pro-capitalist stance. Eurosceptic parties and President Trump in the USA may be a step forward but they’re not the solution. 

We are nationalists, we are Catholics, but we do not renounce our original pre-Christian roots because the blood of our ancestors runs inside of us, we have hereditary traits reaching as far back as tens of thousands of years, which are part of our character today. What place do Aztecs have in Mexican identity? 

The Nahuatl peoples, the Aztec among them, ruled the central highlands of Mexico. However, while Europeans overwhelmingly belong to a single stock, more than eleven linguistic families exist in Mexico, most of them predating the Aztecs. The Huichol people (a distant relative of the Aztecs), for example, are the only indigenous community that fully preserved its pre-Christian religion. The Aztecs themselves described the tribes from the north as wild. However, no Huichol myth or memory exists concerning human sacrifice or anything close to that. Fortunately, people have now started to challenge such biased and false versions of history that defile our forefathers. Christian monks did see a link between Christianity and the ancient traditions of this land. Many of them did their best to preserve the ancient knowledge. Similarities between the ancient heathen European mythology and the Aztec ones are striking. We must reconcile with the past in order to heal our present. 

What is the attitude of the Mexican people toward the Front? What social classes and age groups trust you the most? 

The Front attracts middle class people, mostly younger than 45. This doesn’t mean that the still-living old-guard nationalists from Mexico would not join us. However, they prefer to teach all nationalists without integrating to a single organization. Our membership is mostly rural, unlike European groups which are mostly urban. 

What is your position on social work? 

Since the establishment has taught people to become accustomed to depend on governments or NGOs, members who engage in social work under the Front’s banner don’t do so for the sake of gaining followers but as a way to help those in need. Good doctrine must lead to good actions. People saw this during the aftermath of the 2017 earthquake. Many people with anti-nationalist prejudice eventually joined us. 

Inside your country, you have many ethnicities that make up Mexican identity. Does multiethnic nationalism come with challenges?

Iberoamerican pluriculturalism is very different from modern “multiculturalism”. The first one is identitarian. The second one seeks to destroy identities. While it is true that our countries are very diverse and that the Spanish conquest is still a painful and divisive issue, national identity in Peru, Mexico or Bolivia does not face the identity/separatism problems that Spain alone is facing in Europe. 

Concerning immigration, the modern Central American republics were founded by selfish landlords who did not want to free their servants and chose alliance with the USA and Britain during the 19th Century. Since they have separated from Mexico, free movement of people between them and us must come as a result of a political union. 

“Migrant caravans” are violent incursions that seek to destabilize the region and influence the political environment in the USA due to the next elections. Their purpose is to create troubles, not unity. Therefore, it is the obligation of the Mexican state to exercise its sovereignty and impose border controls that allow the orderly entry of people. 

What role does ethnicity play in your beliefs about immigration? What is the concept of „Hispanidad” for you? 

Concerning Hispanidad, the Spanish conquest somehow accelerated the unity of different regions, our traditional institutions did not die out completely. The Iberian-speaking world is powerful enough to become a regional block in itself. It’s up to us if we want to complain all our lives or do something to rescue the future. 

Almost half of your territory was taken from you in 1848 following the American intervention in Mexico. Do you believe that these lands still belong to Mexico? 

We acknowledge the consequences of the American Intervention in Mexico and that the United States controls those territories as a result of the war and subsequent treaties. However, we reject their legitimacy. We should do what the Bolivian governments do. They do not call for war against Chile. They don’t challenge Chilean authorities in the lands Chile occupies since the Pacific War. However, they list those territories as being under occupation. 

As to the Mexican diaspora in these territories, is there a way to radicalize it to your advantage, so that they can return to Mexico through the process of repatriation and work for the Front and true Mexican nationalism? 

Before WWI Mexicans in New Mexico and other territories under US control began to organize. They thought that another US-Mexico war was imminent and that those lands could eventually return to Mexican sovereignty. The Mexican revolution weakened our country, we chose the German side during WWI and lost but the threat persisted. 

After WWII Americans responded with the well known “divide and conquer” tactic. They developed policies to integrate Mexicans to US culture and at the same time supported “Chicano nationalism”, a radical leftist current whose objective is to create the “Aztlan” country independent from both Mexico and the USA. Both integrationists and Chicanos want to keep people away from Mexican nationalism. They vote for Hillary Clinton and support all kinds of liberal and leftist trends. 

Americans know how to deal with this. US forces occupied New Mexico from 1846 and the people hated them so much that the American power there remained unstable many years after the war had ended. Americans solved this by creating two artificial identities: “Spanish American” and “Native American”. This is a lesson for us. We must never allow those things to divide us again. 

How do you view US President Donald Trump’s policy concerning Mexico? 

President Trump upholds conservative values and understands that neoliberal free trade policies have had devastating effects even in US households. The Mexican government should take advantage of this by protecting agriculture and other industries affected by the free trade agreements. However, we must bear in mind that he’s protecting American interests. American supremacy is being challenged by the Chinese and he’s aware of this. If our government submits to his wishes, it will also submit to the wishes of the democrats if they come back. This is very bad. 

Are US-based businesses in Mexico benefiting the Mexicans? 

Wages in Mexico are very low. Only six days of holiday are allowed to most workers per year. Work journeys often cover the morning and the evening until the night allowing no time for the worker to have a life or raise their children. Foreign businesses often offer better work conditions and a better work environment. It is for this reason that the laws, institutions and political order of our country must change. A new labour culture must be established.

The threats today are global and so many nationalists consider it necessary to have a relationship between genuine nationalists so that we can work together in whatever way possible. Do you believe in the success of such an idea? 

Yes, indeed. We’re now trying to foster fruitful collaboration with Nationalists in South America, Europe and other parts of the world.

What message would you give to Polish and European nationalists? 

Modern conservatives and progressive liberals have merged with the orphans of Marxism to create the political dogmas of our time and these are unanimously accepted by the media, businesses and institutions both secular and religious. 

Anyone who challenges “political correctness” may be presented by them as a “disident” and this is a trap. 

Reactionaries who focus their struggle on attacking environmentalism, women’s rights, animal protection and social justice are bad because they make people think that such causes belong to the left and this is false. They are all causes of nationalism and we must reclaim what is rightfully ours. 

The triumph of liberal capitalism hasn’t solved mankind’s problems. They’re still here and they will get worse and worse. 

It is the time to teach reactionaries that rejecting gender ideology, secularism and relativism is not enough. Social justice must be the most important aim. 

Thank you again for the interview. Let us keep one another in our prayers. The tradition of our newspaper is that the last words in every interview are to be given to the interviewee: 

Nationalists are the true rebels, the true revolutionaries, the ones who work for the sake of mankind, the defenders of true plurality. Poland and the rest of the Slavic peoples will certainly have an important role in the awakening of humanity, for the good of Europe and of all peoples.

The interview was conducted by Michał Szymański